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post #11 of 130 (permalink) Old 11-09-2016, 02:21 PM
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Not likely to happen but hell yes, I'll have one too.
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1. easier to package in a motorcycle space envelope and cheaper to manufacture
2. No. maybe dry ice behind the bike or something added to the gas for effect?
You are entirely correct on both accounts Real Ed. The oil consumption dig was purely humour.

The parallel twin thing is not though. The Duke is a very rare configuration. Performance focussed road singles are about as common as rocking horse pooh. Parallel twins are more like arseholes - everybody has one. Even if they have 270 degree cranks to prevent them sounding like a balanced fart, they are so bland.


I still see Wiwwee's logic. 20 more kilos and 10 - 15 more Nm's of torque. I could be fun.

It's just not very KTM.

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Let's not poo poo it until one of us gets a spin on one. It's looks are very SDR (which I happen to like). it will have a nice electronics package. North America still won't get the R version but a nice high compression twin spark properly timed parallel twin could be just what the doctor ordered.
For guys looking for more than the 690 but don't want to go full SDR, it could keep them orange. And that's good for all of us.
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Is the 790 going to be an addition to the model range, or is it going to replace the 690? As mentioned before, the 690 is something fairly unique in the motorcycle world.
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KTM claim it will be the best & sharpest bike in the 800cc category.
Being a parallel twin it will not make the 140hp MV's Brutale 800 RR does.
MV has a dry weight of 175kg meeting Euro 4.

Triumph street Triple 800 comming out too which it needs to beat as well.
The current Striple 675 is 182kg with 17 liters of fuel in it.

So Duke 790 needs to be REALLY light and torque rich to compete.
Only way it can compete actually.

And Boldor... My target figure of 170kg fully fuelled would make it less than 10kg up on the 690 With 690 having a tiny tank.
And 15 NM torque increase isn't enough to reach that 100 NM mark.

So + 8-9kg
& + 30 NM of torque

That's what we're looking for.
And it would be very KTM indeed.

Husqvarna Nuda 900 had ower 100nm of torque out of a (BMW) Rotax parallel twin ower a decade ago.
Brand new modern engine should match that even with 100cc less capacity.

If it's not light it will suck.
Light weight & handling is what the Duke is about and what makes it better than the other 800cc bikes.
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^^^well said.
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Ditto. And while most parallel twins are bland I was impressed by the Yamaha FZ-07. If it weren't so aesthetically challenged...

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Ok that thing is a prototype and few things will change for the production model but...
You don't see much of the frame on that. Whole arse end is machined out of aluminium.
Ower all the bike is quite small in dimensions.

All that = light weight.

Panigale Superlegera is 167 kg wet.
Yep it's expensive & extreme so not really a comparison... but it's also a 1,3 liter v-twin with full fairing, Euro 4 compliance, all the electric gizmos in the world slapped on it.

So 170kg naked 800cc parallel twin isn't impossible.

I hope KTM deliver on this one.

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I hope KTM deliver on this one.

A defining moment for KTM: Ready to Race or Mass Produced?

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Their own words.
The Duke 790 will be:
Best bike in the 800cc category.
And a big commercial success for the company.

So both.

KTM give nicknames to their bike projects.
The Superduke 1290 was "the Beast"
huge v-twin power & grunt. It was to be a beast of a bike and it is.

The Duke 790 project is nicknamed "the Scalpel"
Surgical precision & carving through corners is what we're after this time.
Sounds good to me.
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