I just sold the duke today. I loved that bike I could ride it all day.The problem is I am a big guy the problem with working out. by the time I get my gear on I am almost 300 lbs.So this time I did not work out for 5 weeks and I lost 20 lbs.even with that the duke top speed with me is 135-138 max.For some tracks thats ok.others you will just be blown by.
Ohh thats too bad about the Duke, but your comments are echo'd with other people I've talked with who are heavy. You need something with some serious powah to get you around. I'm literally 1/2 your weight with gear on. So a 40hp dirt bike and a 130hp sport bike are pretty much all I need for power. It also makes sense that you had very little chatter or front end stabilization issues, your suspension rides at a totally different level in the stroke then suspension that I would ride. Plus the chassis compresses differently with the weight differential, so there are HUGE differences in performance.
As far as support KTM has a track only bike it is not street legal that bike is even faster. There is a guy on our duke forum that races that bike.he did change the susp to ohlins and I hear is doing very well across the pond.
Actually according to the press release the track-only RC8 has the same power as the RC8R with an exhaust. I really like the whole concept of the track-only and if I could buy a used one to mess with, I'd probably do it just to get some more experience with the machine. I wish Ducati did a track-only version of the 1198S or 1198R. But sadly, people who buy Italian bikes, generally flaunt them at Starbucks, not seriously ride them on the track. Its one of the issues I have generally with Italian bikes.
When it comes to Italian bike I wish aprilia had dealers.I love those they imo
are the bad *** the RSv4 is truly amazing it comes with everything. If they had any dealer net work I would have another ape.
Here in southern california, Aprilia dealers are actually vespa dealers. The Piaggo group decided a few years ago to put all Piaggo bikes under one roof. Its interesting because its a hodge podge of scooters and serious street bikes.
The RSV4 is a problematic machine sadly. Every one I've seen working on the street, has a owner with stories of total utter failure. In fact, one of my old racing buddies bought 2 of them and blew both of them up his first race weekend. Demanded his money back and Aprilia did just that, plus extra! The problem is, Piaggo doesn't have the resources to build such a nice bike, where Ducati does. Ducati sub's everything out, where Aprilia tries to make everything cheap in-house and that's problematic.
Now after having so many exotic bikes and having to drive for a day to get it worked on. I won't do it any more. I have a good KTM dealer in my small town that can do warranty if needed. I can get my stock wp good enough to go fast. I don't race anymore was thinking about the over 40 stock just a pipe and air cleaner.
I do all my own work from engine re-builds to complete bike builds, reliability to me is actually secondary to performance. I can fix reliability, I can't fix a bad chassis. I have never once dropped off any bike to a dealer, so I can't associate with that experience. We have 5 Ducati, 4 Aprilia and 3 KTM, 2 Triumph and 1 BMW service provider in an 80 mile range from my house. So whatever european flavor you want, we've got it covered! God bless southern california and motorcycle riding! LOL
BTW, out here, KTM street bikes are WAY more exotic then Ducati's. This is one of the reasons why I bought a 690!
The riding position is so comfy I never thought I could ride a sport bike again. In 08 I had 3 new discs put in my back.took two years to heal. Now I can ride the RC8 200 miles with no pain.
OUCH!!! that sucks! I feel for ya mate, back injuries are big trouble.
Yea, the RC8's riding position is not sport bike, it is more like a touring bike. You sit down into the bike and the bars are raised. Reminds me a lot of the ol Honda F2 I use to have. Great position for tooling around the streets, not so hot for racing. But then again, Ducati's are made for a 140lb 5' 8" skinny roadracer. I'm close to that weight/size, but still Ducati's feel small to me and I really dig that feeling.
I saw the new ducati price with the carbon it's 26k The track only KTM withall the go fast stuff and maps and slicks is 19k This bike can do anything you want it to do.Put Stoner on that bike I bet it wins a few races.
Yea the new Panagali is a train-wreck, in my view its gonna be the end of Ducati as we know them today. Being 800 million euro's in debt and now owned by VW, not a good sign for the future in my view. Ducati has lost everything that I love about them, now they build bikes for looks and specs. Its funny how their 6 year old bike is still winning in WSBK, but we somehow needed a MotoGP copy with a 2V in it for 20k+! Ridiculous!
Any bike in the right hands is capable of winning races. Put Colin Edwards on that RC8 in AMA with a full suspension package and team who is willing to make some one-off components like triple clamps, I think he'd do well. Would he win a championship? Maybe not... but I don't think anyone riding a Ducati could either.
Bottom line brother There are so many great bikes,fast bikes etc but some have soul I4 ahhh boring V4 cool as hell, V twin I love them don't care who makes them just like them and the sound.I do have to say apriia's sound so good.My RC8R with a FMF apex is loud as hell but nothing else sounds like it.
The apes sound great with stock exhaust.
I agree, there are so many great bikes out there. My hero was Troy Bayliss and I always wanted to race the bikes he rode, so I did. Twins rock because of how they lay down power, they don't chew up tires and they don't "spin up" either, they are very planted. Combustion chamber and cam timing have a great deal to do with sound and to me there is nothing like the raw sound of a 12k RPM revving small-bore twin. My 748R and 749R were both amazing sounding bikes. The 1198R's that I heard at the track, with the huge boom, were also amazing sounding. I've heard a few RC8's with the Akaprovic exhaust and they sounded OK, never heard the FMF pipe sadly.
Ohh and yes, older Italian stuff does have quite a soul. I think the newer bikes don't have very much at all, they're too overly built for my taste.