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post #1 of 15 (permalink) Old 07-08-2019, 02:10 PM Thread Starter
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"New Old Stock": too risky?

Folks: I am deciding between the Duke 690 and Duke 790. There are several "new old stock" model year '17 and '18 690s within my geographic reach, and the price on these is quite enticing, as the dealers (somewhat desperately) try to part ways with the quickly aging fleet. But my worry is, and this is my question to you: how bad is it for a bike/motor/moving parts/fluids to sit around a dealership for year or two, not being driven/used? My sense is that these machines "like" being used, and to sit idle for long stretches can't be good for reliability.

I would appreciate your insights on this question. By buying a NOS 690, are we saving money merely to spend it later on repairs and reliability issues? What are your thoughts on buying NOS bikes?

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post #2 of 15 (permalink) Old 07-08-2019, 02:57 PM
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I found that the 790 is so much different to the 690. Have you sat on them ? Taken them for a test ride ?

I would go for last years model and save the money. Do the 600 miles and then they will change the fluids, etc. Job done.

And I have never had a turbo bike. I dont know what NOS is like either.

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I found that the 790 is so much different to the 690. Have you sat on them ? Taken them for a test ride ?

I would go for last years model and save the money. Do the 600 miles and then they will change the fluids, etc. Job done.

And I have never had a turbo bike. I dont know what NOS is like either.
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I wouldn't have any problem with New Old Stock - enjoy the saving, make sure it gets the updates and change the brake fluid 2 years earlier

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I wouldn't worry at all if the bike hasn't been ran-up yet with ZERO mileage on it. They come with assembly lube and other measures to get across the pond and sit for a few years if need be.

If the bike was a demo bike and just a shop ho' then I would be weary about startup & cooling measures, maintenance, rev-limiter action, etc.

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post #5 of 15 (permalink) Old 07-09-2019, 12:32 AM
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I'd happily buy them that old with the right pricing..

Tough to say which of the 2 i'd go for too..
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I would buy a NOS bike in a second. Particularly if the warranty is still 2 yrs. The oil and coolant don't go bad and the brake fluid won't suffer much living indoors. Being me, I'd probably flush new brake fluid in but it would be overkill.

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I definitely wouldn't worry about a year or two. I was in a similar situation with a Suzuki DRZ400SM. I HAD to have the older blue-and-white scheme and drove down to Ohio to get a leftover 2014. It was about a year-and-a-half old at that point, but the price certainly made it worthwhile. And no issues with it whatsoever.

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I would buy a NOS bike in a second. Particularly if the warranty is still 2 yrs. The oil and coolant don't go bad and the brake fluid won't suffer much living indoors. Being me, I'd probably flush new brake fluid in but it would be overkill.
I bought my 2018 690 at the end of August last year. At 2600 miles I changed the clutch master to the Oberon based on the failures discussed here. I was surprised by how dirty the clutch fluid was. Since we'd already opened a bottle of DOT 4, we also changed the brake fluid, and it was nasty dirty as well. So your point about changing the brake fluid is a good one.

FWIW, I've had zero issues with mine in cranking the miles on. I decided to go with non-synthetic 10-50 at the 600 mile change, then went to the full synthetic 10-60 at 1000 miles. It has used absolutely no oil since then, despite my best efforts to flog it!

I'd also agree that the 790 will be quite different ergonomically- lower bars and more rearward pegs. The 690 is simply perfect for me in terms of fit. I'd add that the 690 makes the same torque as the 790 and is lighter, so it will be more fun in the twisties!!!!

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I'd also agree that the 790 will be quite different ergonomically- lower bars and more rearward pegs. The 690 is simply perfect for me in terms of fit. I'd add that the 690 makes the same torque as the 790 and is lighter, so it will be more fun in the twisties!!!!

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Errrrrrm going to have to say NO on that...
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Years ago, the industry took a downward turn and distributors were stuck with thousands of bikes the dealers couldn't sell. It took a couple of years to sell off the leftovers at discounted prices and I never heard a peep about any of them having issues from being stored.

A year-old bike on the showroom floor should be as good as a new model.
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