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post #1 of 20 (permalink) Old 04-17-2019, 05:52 AM Thread Starter
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Is this service necessary to retain warranty? Can I do it myself? And is it expensive?
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Good question, I plan on doing all my own service work, I have a 18 690 and did oil and screens at 300 miles and did filters and oil at 600 miles and now have 1000 miles on her and am going to check the valve clearance and take a look at the rockers which they changed before I picked the bike up new, said it was a recall, I have all noted down on date and milage. I went through the entire bike when new and lock tighted all that was not that should have been,..
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Is this service necessary to retain warranty? Can I do it myself? And is it expensive?

Be aware...... the 620 mile service is more than a simple oil change. Sure you can change the oil and filter if you have basic skills and have read the owners manual ...... but on a new bike, KTM agents will be actioning any factory service warnings and recalls as well as checks and software updates........ and stamping your service book and registering your bike on the data base at KTM, so you can get work done out of state on trips.

I wouldn't begrudge them this service at the start of a new bikes life. You can save heaps of $ by doing in-between oil changes yourself as the book services are usually some insane distance like for my SDGT 15k kms/9000miles apart, which is camshaft wear territory for any engine no matter what miracle oil is used.

Unless you are talking about a racing bike.......??


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Good advice, I didn't know if the service was just an oil change, like a lot of dealers do. Definitely want to do the right things thanks.
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Good advice, I didn't know if the service was just an oil change, like a lot of dealers do. Definitely want to do the right things thanks.
..... Cheers Meatwad...... it all depends on your dealer....... like most complaints...... it's the quality of the KTM agent, not the KTM bike that often is the cause of complaint....... so I hope your KTM shop does do the work properly - and it shouldn't cost much - mine was "free" which means I paid for it when I bought the bike, but i wouldn't think it would cost much more than say $200 at most - if they charge you for labour and oil and connection to the KTM system.......... It's so dependent on the local deal ........ my guys seem to hardly charge me for anything.


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..... Cheers Meatwad...... it all depends on your dealer....... like most complaints...... it's the quality of the KTM agent, not the KTM bike that often is the cause of complaint....... so I hope your KTM shop does do the work properly - and it shouldn't cost much - mine was "free" which means I paid for it when I bought the bike, but i wouldn't think it would cost much more than say $200 at most - if they charge you for labour and oil and connection to the KTM system.......... It's so dependent on the local deal ........ my guys seem to hardly charge me for anything.

Pretty close with the first service estimate @DaveAu Mine was $235 back in Feb 2017. Mind you if you deal with Canberra Motorcycle Center, you pay.

I recently had the opportunity to have a chat with one of Queensland's finest, who was handing out invitations to donate funds for some obscure benefit. In the wash up he was a decent bloke returning to bike ownership and the proud owner of a new 1090 Adventure R. Seems he was charged $450 for his first service at his local dealer. He was justifiably pissed off when I told him what mine cost, and that I thought that was extravagant. He must have ridden in wearing his uniform. It is dependent on the dealer as you say.

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I have been working on engines for 50 years.

There is nothing complex about checking valve clearance. The biggest issue is taking off all kinds of plastic junk to get to the things. All panels need fast and easy removal. A bike that needs to go back to a dealer for a simple valve adjustment costing a few hundred bucks is not a good thing. A bike that can't be serviced by the owner is not cool.

For the most part, if you want it done right, learn the process and do it yourself and, GET A TORQUE WRENCH, these things are aluminum and threads are pulled out easily. Do it yourself and you will know it was done right. Did the dealer really tear down the bike and check those valves or did they just say they did and pocket the money. Mark bolts and screws so you know they were removed.
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I used to do the valves on my klr650 and own several torque wrenches for inch pound and foot pounds, this was the crux of my question, as I don't trust dealers especially motorcycle dealers.I will probably Bring it for the 600 miles service and that's it, I haven't bought the bike yet as they aren't at dealers yet. The salesman all ready started with trying to sell me add ons, if any thing is gonna be installed I'll gladly do it, that's how you learn to work on your bike, plus I love it, thanks to your opinion!
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Cheers meatwad....

What bike are you going to buy?

The first service for most bikes does not usually entail a valve clearance check as it's only 620 miles.

So it's oil and filter and any checks/adjustments the factory bulletins advise dealer shops to perform. Easy to do the oil and filter but you can't possibly know if there is a software patch or an inspection required on the batch your bike came from etc....... and it isn't a huge amount of $... often it's a paid in the deal 'free' service.

You can save that with the inbetween oil changes before the next official warranty service. If anything goes wrong in the first year you will want to have your warranty in order.

Valves aren't usually looked at until 30,000kms/19,000miles (on the SDR/GT models)...... I used to do my own shim adjustments way back in the 80's on my Kawasaki's but I did have some basic training from a Kawasaki mechanic), but after helping my cousin in his bike service shop in the 90's-2005, I realized pulling camshafts out to swap/change shims under buckets on 4cyl engines wasn't my strength. In any case, my clearances didn't change enough to need adjustment with regular oil changes so it's not really an issue until 19k miles (30k kms) if you have an SDR/GT.

If you have a 690...... the dealership may be wanting to check or replace your cam followers as there have been a number of failures in certain model years.

There has also been a couple of posts about camshaft oil jets becoming blocked. I haven't read why this happened, but I have read a recent post where an SDGT had surprise cam & follower wear that was noticed by a non KTM service shop which referred the owner back to a KTM dealer to be inspected and luckily accepted as a 'goodwill' warranty repair - so the dealers aren't always the enemy ..... even though we all have tales of errors/shoddy work to tell.

I still consider the 620mile/1000km service a worthwhile thing to have done on a new bike/model - unless you are a long way away from a dealer and maybe have their agreement to just do an oil & filter change on your particular bike (they should know if it really needs to come in for special treatment or not).


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