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'17 Superduke GT vs. '23 Tracer 9 GT vs. '23 Ninja 1000SX for "back roads touring". Help for an indecisive lurker!

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So after doing a 1,500 overnight ride on my Duke 890R on almost 100% backroads last year I came away loving the experience but wanting more long distance comfort, better fuel range, and some more luggage capacity.

I then scored a great deal on a '21 Aprilia Tuono V4 Factory and aimed to use that for touring and fun riding. But after doing some test runs locally I'm averaging 26mpg on the fun roads, which means fuel range is barely 120 miles and that's with constant worries about finding the next gas station when I'm somewhere deep in a national forest.

The obvious choice is a 1290 GT because it has the same kind of personality as the 890R (albeit a bit less frantic). The Tracer 9 GT is interesting because the CP3 900cc triple is very reminiscent of the 890R engine and is supposed to be lightweight and nimble for good cornering. The Ninja 1000SX is interesting because it leans to the sporty side of things with good comfort and a strong motor, but it seems more of a highway tourer than a twisty backroads kind of bike. Both the Yamaha and Kawasaki will most likely be more reliable.

I am looking at 3 local bikes, and seems like every hour I change my mind:

1. 2017 1290 GT, asking $10,700. 9k miles, Akrapovic, heated passenger & rider seats, bigger screen, new tires. Looks in new condition, very well maintained.
2. 2023 Tracer 9 GT, new, asking price would likely be $12,900 + $750 shipping. stock.
3. 2023 Ninja 1000SX, technically used but basically new, asking $13,100. 1k, Akrapovic, luggage (it's a $1,300 option if you buy a new Ninja), heated grips (also an option). Rich guy bought it and traded it in for an H2 a month later.

So the GT is the cheapest, but the other two bikes are basically new with full warranties. The Tracer doesn't need anything although I hear the seat is an issue and I may need to invest in an aftermarket one. The Ninja comes with the options you'd want.

I've not ridden the Ninja, I will tomorrow. I liked the Tracer on a demo ride, feels light and nimble, fun engine, but it's very adventure-upright and it doesn't feel like it makes me want to attack corners. The GT is obviously the rowdiest of the bunch but again, I have my Tuono for when I want to rip around on a weekend.

In an ideal world I would be able to tour on the Tuono, but barring that, what would make the most sense as a companion bike? I would use it for commuting, shuttling my wife to events from time to time, and a couple "big rides" a year.

I guess one thing that's telling - I am not posting this on a Yamaha or Kawasaki forum. I love the Aprilia and KTM online communities and I don't think I would join either of those even if I had one of their bikes.
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I would go with these in the order you have them listed.
GT
Tracer
1000SX
Also
Have you looked into a BMW S1000XR? Seems like a good all arounder.

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I've had a number of bikes in my 50+ years of riding, and every time I get on my SDGT, I'm still amazed, especially at the engine. And that's after owning it for 6 years and 30,000 miles. So, my vote goes to the KTM.
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Have you looked into a BMW S1000XR? Seems like a good all arounder.

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It's a great choice on paper, but it's too tall for me. I had a brief dalliance with a 2015 Multistrada 1200S, thinking it would be my do-everything bike, but I absolutely hated the tall and top-heavy feel of the adventure style bike, and the ergonomics didn't fit me well at 5'8". I know an XR will be sportier, but I need to feel confident riding this bike through the crazy streets of San Francisco, and a tall & heavy bike won't work for me.
If you want endless torque, then the GT. Light and nimble? The Yamaha but I would suggest the GT+ model. The Kawi should be the better long haul tourer. I have read that it is a bit top heavy but I've never ridden one. So, endless torque, nimble and light, or long legged? They're all winners really, it's just which is the best fit for your life?
The Tracer 9 GT+ looks great - the new dash is much better than the Graucho Marx version on the current GT, and the radar cruise and adaptive braking safety systems look great. But it won't make it to the US until 2024 at the earliest.

Light and nimble is very appealing, but from everything I've read the GT has very sporty handling as well, and its riding position is more aggressive than the Tracer (which is a good thing). What's your (current GT owners) take on the agility of the 1290 GT?
You're from SF? Sacramento here. I think the Yamaha would make the best "city bike". FYI- the saddlebags on the SDGT stick way out past the handlebars. It makes lane sharing difficult because I regularly encounter gaps that I can't make it past because of the bags. Just so you know.
Technically in Berkeley, but my office is in downtown SF so I do the Bay Bridge commute frequently.

I would add a top box rack to either of the 3 bikes and run my Givi monokey box without panniers for the daily commute, so the size of the cases isn't a major issue, but that's good to know. The Multistrada felt like a box truck when trying to lane split with full luggage!
Agility? The GT is a big bike. It's 517lbs with the bags fully fueled so you ride accordingly. It is agile off the throttle. The semi active suspension is brilliant. Being able to change suspension modes is wonderful but it's... Different. It isn't as good as a well set up bike adjusted for your weight, height, and riding style. It's a general kind of approach. That said, in the right hands, it is a weapon! The limits are so high.
Left field option: put a rotopax fuel cell and some luggage on your Aprilia! Such a great bike, I did some long tours on my Tuono and it was stellar.
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Left field option: put a rotopax fuel cell and some luggage on your Aprilia! Such a great bike, I did some long tours on my Tuono and it was stellar.
I do have Ventura rack for my top box already, but I don’t know where I’d add the gas pack. Plus it adds a considerable amount of weight to the bike. And, selfishly this is my excuse to justify having more than 1 bike, which is always handy. :)
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What about the Multi 950? I had the S for two years, super reliable but let it go due to ergos (tight cockpit, too upright) but it certainly wasn’t top-heavy. I had considered the Tracer GT but the Multi spoke to me more. I had a loaner 1260 for a week, prior to the 950 purchase but preferred the 950 motor.

Have you considered the Super Duke R? It has a pretty decent soft pannier option and matching tail bag. Throw on a screen, bar risers, heated grips, hand guards and you’re set. Wait…that’s my bike. It’s got cruise and happily moves along at 3500 rpm. Very comfortable bike but fuel range may not be what you want.
Yeah the Multi V2 (lower seat version of the 950) does look nice, but the 19" front seems to be less of a sporty setup, and I'm worried about the ergonomics being too adventure like (a la the Multi 1200 that I gave up on). I do like their slimmer size.

I was very tempted by a Superduke R Evo with the electronic suspension. It's much more road friendly than the Tuono, and they have neat soft pannier integration (and can use a Hepco luggage plate for a top box). But with that bike there'd be no reason to have the Tuono (not a terrible idea, I could sell it and get something more track focused). But there's a decent investment in converting it to touring mode vs. just getting the GT and having all of it built in.

What sort of fuel mileage are you seeing with yours? Per rider.com:
Fuel Capacity: 4.2 gals.
Fuel Consumption: 35.3 mpg
Estimated Range: 149 miles

That's better than the Tuono, but not worth taking a loss on all the customization I've done to get effectively the same kind of bike with ~25 more range.
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I haven’t toured on mine yet, just quick blasts after work where I’m using more fuel than I would if touring. As such, I haven’t kept track. Bike is new to me this year, I’ve only out 2000 kms on it. I read somewhere a guy got 200 miles, but that’s gotta be babying the throttle.
Well I have a 2017 GT with factory panniers and a 2021 Tuono Factory in my garage. I use the Tuono for local rides, trips where the restricted fuel range won't leave me stressed or stranded and days where the devil is whispering in your ear. It's is perfect for that. I use the GT for most everything else. The devil still whispers with it too.
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I had a 2010 Kawasaki Z1000 before my 16 SDR. I find that the SDR does everything the Z1K did, but better. The Z is just the 'naked ninja' so the main components are all the same or closely similar. The Ninja/Z line being more sport bike than touring bike will find you sliding forward into the tank on the factory seat. The gearing in my opinion is too short for extended highway trips. Backroads were fine but I ultimately went to 17/39 from the stock 15/42. The 1000cc was still plenty powerful after the gear change but made highway miles much easier. Stock windshield is typical sport bike, I found that the gen2/3 KLR650 windshield mounted "stacked" to the stock shield worked very well. Even with a lot of spirited riding I still had 35MPG average to a tank. When just cruising with traffic on secondary roads I'd see 41-42 average.

I have no first hand experience with the Tracer. If it were me, I'd pick the SDGT over the Ninja 1000sx.

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It's a great choice on paper, but it's too tall for me. I had a brief dalliance with a 2015 Multistrada 1200S, thinking it would be my do-everything bike, but I absolutely hated the tall and top-heavy feel of the adventure style bike, and the ergonomics didn't fit me well at 5'8". I know an XR will be sportier, but I need to feel confident riding this bike through the crazy streets of San Francisco, and a tall & heavy bike won't work for me.
There's an 900XR as well, I know BMW classifies the XR as an adventure bike but I've tangled with some on some mountain roads and they're great canyon carvers, they even have street sized wheels and tires.
I think the yammie is a good choice.
Also don't overlook a Suzuki V-Strom that could fit the bill. Not fast as the Ape or KTM but a good all arounder and super comfy.

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Well I just ran some insurance quotes, and the Ninja is roughly 3x the cost of a 12 month premium compared to the Tracer. The KTM is even cheaper being that it's an older bike. I suspect the "Ninja" name adds at least $1000 to the quote. It's not all about money, but if the consensus is the Ninja is #3 on the list anyway it certainly doesn't move up costing that much more to insure.

@AusPete looks like we have similar tastes. :)
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I had an earlier (2011) Ninja 1000ABS that I enjoyed a lot, after I'd put Ohlins suspension, Sargent seat, new screen, mirror extenders, 55 section tyre on rear, dropped the front 10mm, SC Project slip ons ........ then sold it to buy the bike I really wanted at the time. K1300S... which was too much bike for the riding I was doing, so I added an MV Agusta Brutale 1078RR... then sold both those to get the GT which was the best of both bikes. You get the idea of where I've come from to get where I am at. I've certainly confused a bunch if people I ride with 😂
Depends on how tight the roads you ride on and how good you are on a larger bike on those. I've had a GT, a BMW R1250R and now an S100XR lowered. On the goat trails some of my friends lead me on around the Blue Ridge Mountains all are too big. On any reasonably sized road without hairpins the XR is the best. That said, I have an Alps trip coming up and I've got a Tracer 7 rented for that. Been there, done the GS thing, never again.
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