CAN sniffing

Hi bike51,

i have recently connected my CAN analyzer tool to Ktm diagnostic connector , and i have sniffed all CAN packets trasmitted by ECU , Abs Bosch module etc ...

i have also tried to send into CAN network some standard OBD2 CAN frame messages through standard PID for read engine data in real time.
but nothing the the ECU reply with standard error ( functionality not supported ) , so it seem that standard OBD2 defined by standard SAE J1979 is not supported.

so i think , but it is only my supposition that Ktm Diagnostic protocol , it is the same used generally for Kline , but now trasmitted over CAN.

i don't know tuneecu software and related Kline to Usb adapter , but i suppose that Ktm adventure 1190 will be compatible with tuneecu , only when software engineers will undestand how to translate ktm diagnostic protocol from kline to canbus.

so the correct wire connection is the same that you have descibed :
2 (black/blue) maps to OBD-2 6 CAN-H
3 (white/blue) maps to OBD-2 14 CAN-L

so in my supposition normal vag-com KKl adapter tipically used with tune ecu is not correct for our bike , probably we need equivalent vag-com K + CAN adapter.

 

Hi bike51,

i have recently connected my CAN analyzer tool to Ktm diagnostic connector , and i have sniffed all CAN packets trasmitted by ECU , Abs Bosch module etc ...

Thank you for your feedback.

I believe the KTM diagnostic equipment is made by AVL DiTest of Austria. I thought I found a US dealer quoting a price on the equipment (can not find the link now - seem to remember it was ~$2000 US). So I guess we may have to wait until more folks at TUNEECU play with the new 1190Adventure.

 

Hi Bick51,

i have tried to contact TuneEcu for information about Ktm 1190 adventure compatibility but never received a reply :sad:

AVL DiTest it is too expensive.

Meanwhile, I continue to play with the telemetry of the ktm 1190 adventure , i have a SOLO DL of the Aim Sportline that i can connect to CAN BUS.
so it is possible merge engine data same as engine speed , both wheel speeds , Gas Handle , throttle position , lateral and longitudinal acceleration , gyroscope and more other parameters...

but i hope in future to have possibility to use tuneEcu also in 1190 adventure.

i have found on web sites http://www.ktm-versand.de a Ktm Dongle that it can be connected to the same diagnostic connector , this is the description :

The ABS dongle enables additional functions in the ABS control module and the ECU (1190 Adventure only).

Available functions:
- 1-channel ABS mode: Locking of the rear wheel is possible; ABS only regulates the front wheel
- ABS mode ""Off"": ABS also remains deactivated when the ignition is switched off and on again

it can be useful if someone use the bike always offroad , but for 100 euros i prefere to switch manually ABS Off ....

last week , first check(1000 kilometer) of my Ktm adventure , 280 euros crazy ! , i think that i will do next check by myself and **** the warranty

 

I'm interested in getting in with TuneEdit also, still waiting. I want to look at the retarded timing around the 3k to 3400 rpm zone. I understand that is for NOX emissions. Getting tired of trying to avoid that zone.

 

2014 KTM 1190R Diagnostic Port Adapter

I ordered parts to make a connector to the 2014 KTM 1190R diagnotic port.

LonElec(http://www.lonelec.co.uk) sells an 'OBD2 16 pin female socket to bare end wires'. Several sites on Ebay sell the 'KTM TuneECU 6 Pin Male Sumitomo Connector For Making - KTM Tune ECU Lead'. See Pic1.

My understanding of the wiring of the KTM diagnostic plug is shown in Pic2. The mapping to from the Sumitomo connector to the OBD2 wires is then shown in Pic3. Note that some OBD2 drawings show signal ground and chassis ground joined, linking ground pin 4 to pin 5.

No luck yet in getting my 1190R to actually interface with my CAN readers. This includes AutoEnginuity. Just for fun, I also tried connecting with the 'KTM User Setting Tool' software used for dirt bikes and the 11-12 1190 RC8 R . KTM sells the connector (part 69029096140) for $500US, and the software is free. http://www.ktm.com/us/dealer-service/service/user-setting-tool.html.

Looks like someone is going to have to crack the proprietary diagnostics software (https://vector.com/vi_news_detail_en,422796,,1291167,detail.html), or hopefully KTM will make a 'User Setting Tool' specifically for the 1190 Adventure.

 

2014 KTM 1190R ODB-2 CAN Bus Data Logger

I found one supplier that now makes a CAN bus data logger that they say will work for the KTM 1190R.

2D Dwbus & Diebold, http://2d-datarecording.com/en/

They quoted 600 euro for the most basic logger (LG-CANStick1C-000), more for GPS integration.

'System Setup' for the KTM 1190R' was quoted as an additional 250 euro.

 

Sorry for bringing this thread back from the dead. Has anyone identified what PIDs KTM is using? I appears that it does not use J1979 PIDs for TP, RPM and Gear. I'm trying to get the data passed to Harry's Lap Timer, and the KTM won't communicate to my OBD reader, which defaults to only J1979 supported PIDs.

Thanks!