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2020 Duke 890 r engine carnage.

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#1 · (Edited)
My friends 15k mile Duke 890 r dropped an intake valve last week and we're looking for possible causes. After opening it up, we found severe cam and rocker wear but not a good reason for the cause of that either. He is the second owner and bought it with about 4k miles on it. it has not been beat on, has had regular oil changes and ran fine up to the failure that happened when he shifted to 2nd at pretty low RPM on his way home.

My first thought was that the oil squirters for the two worn cam lobes was clogged. I checked them with an oil squirt can and they spray right out.. I then checked the cam oil feed screen and it is clean.

I know this engine made a lot of metal at some point but my friend said he saw nothing in the oil screen on his first oil change. i don't think he checked them this last change.





The cause of the intake dropping was a broken valve spring retainer. The question is, why did it break? I'm suspecting it might be the result of the huge valve gap due to the cam and rocker wear.
 
#4 ·
My assumption here would be that the increased clearance caused progressively more aggressive hits on the valvetrain until the valvetrain eventually gave up. That's a massive ramp in impact when the cam comes around when the clearances are that big - like going from pressing the valve open to opening it with a hammer.

Must have gotten one of the bikes with bad cam hardening, clearances grew and grew, and eventually the retainer gave up the ghost. Was the valvetrain particularly loud? I can't believe that it didn't sound somewhat off at idle with that much clearance and that aggressive of a cam ramp.
 
#6 ·
My assumption here would be that the increased clearance caused progressively more aggressive hits on the valvetrain until the valvetrain eventually gave up. That's a massive ramp in impact when the cam comes around when the clearances are that big - like going from pressing the valve open to opening it with a hammer.

Must have gotten one of the bikes with bad cam hardening, clearances grew and grew, and eventually the retainer gave up the ghost. Was the valvetrain particularly loud? I can't believe that it didn't sound somewhat off at idle with that much clearance and that aggressive of a cam ramp.
Thnaks, That is my thought also that the hammering broke the valve retainer.

Treed's comment along with some Facebook comments seem to point to the origin as a bad quality cam.

I've ridden with him a number of times and did not pick up on the noise, but with his loud exhaust and my earplugs and helmet, I'm not surprised.

One last clue would have been metal in the forward screen. He says he checked that when he changed the oil soon after he got the bike at about 4k miles and it was clean but has not since. I'm going to pull that screen this morning and see what is there.

Just like my RFS motors, that bottom screen tells the future and can catch bad things before they get to this point.

I thought it would have clearly been caught at the valve clearance check but that is not suggested till 18,600 miles.
 
#10 ·
I didn't know about the cam issue till I fixed my friends bike and then about that time the Facebook KTM failed cams group opened up. Many, many pictures of failed cams and followers. A recent one on a 790 dropped a valve like my friends bike.

BTW, the bike got back together early April (getting the cylinders replated took longer than expected, plus part hunting) and has over 5k miles on it with no issues.